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From: quixotesco Date: September 25th, 2008 12:15 am (UTC) (Link)
In the spirit of spirited discourse, it confuses me why so many millions become attached to sports outcomes so closely that it is used as a lever on their self-esteem. Why would I tether my ego to an outcome I have no control over? (Not to say I don't, but the sports thing is particularly bizarre to me. Enjoying it regardless of outcome would not be the same.)
blackcoat From: blackcoat Date: September 25th, 2008 12:33 am (UTC) (Link)
I direct you, in my case, to this post of mine, in which I discuss my reasons for liking baseball in general, and the Yankees in general.
From: quixotesco Date: September 25th, 2008 01:04 am (UTC) (Link)
Okay, you like baseball. Now, why be attached to the outcome? Consider the alternative of enjoying the process of the game without the risk of depression/hat eating when your team loses.
hyuga From: hyuga Date: September 25th, 2008 01:33 am (UTC) (Link)
Eh, it's fandom. It's not logical.
blackcoat From: blackcoat Date: September 25th, 2008 02:46 am (UTC) (Link)
This, from the man who owned(owns?) a Darkstalkers t-shirt.
hyuga From: hyuga Date: September 25th, 2008 03:01 am (UTC) (Link)
That's the point!
blackcoat From: blackcoat Date: September 25th, 2008 02:44 am (UTC) (Link)
This is much like saying "It's better to have random, meaningless sex with strangers then to have a relationship that includes emotional vulnerability". At least, to me.

Basically, the emotions are more real if you actually care about them. You're more awed by the prowess of "your" players, you care more about the minutia of the game, etc. I can watch baseball with clinical detachment. I do for most of the games that I watch/attend. I CHOOSE not to when the team that I associate with has anything at stake.
From: quixotesco Date: September 25th, 2008 06:34 am (UTC) (Link)
This is very interesting. I think you misrepresent my point, slightly. I agree that the clinical unattached thing would be very unsatisfying.

I guess I'm imagining an enjoyment of the game and process which is detached from the win/lose outcome of the game. That is, one could be awed by the prowess of whomever, and care about the minutia, but not enjoy it less if red beats blue.

Certainly I respect your choosing. I also respect illogical behaviors, some of the time: not everything should be logical. However, pretty much everything should be examined and considered.
blackcoat From: blackcoat Date: September 25th, 2008 07:25 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, see...it's a contest. It has a winner, and a loser. And, like all primates, I enjoy associating with a winning tribe.
From: quixotesco Date: September 25th, 2008 03:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Sure. For me, it is not good enough to do as my neighbor does simply because he does it.

(although I frequently do unexamined and base things)
blackcoat From: blackcoat Date: September 25th, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, see..I'm not doing it JUST because my neighbor (or father in this case) does.

That's part of the reason, sure. But, like all{1} humans, I enjoy being part of a tribe. As is wont in the modern human animal, I'm a member of multiple tribes. "Yankee's Fans" is one of them; and because of who I am, I entangle myself emotionally with the rise and fall of those tribes (for instance, I was quite upset when Mike had that crappy week. I haven't seen that man in a decade.)
From: quixotesco Date: September 25th, 2008 06:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
Present me with an argument and I'll second-guess it, as I just did. You could've started with whatever you wanted :)

I have tribal and phyle associations as well, and I wouldn't lose them. However, saliently for the upcoming election, I don't wish to tie my emotional health to an outcome beyond my control. Guess that point is poorly-received, or you see it as a loss of engagement or enjoyment or of a natural state. Anyway, I'm done. Thanks for the discussion.
14 Ravings or Rant & Rave